Just A Coupla White Chicks Sitting Around Talking About Blogging

EIZAN:"Two Women Writing"
from the Blog Saga: 
Just a Coupla White Chicks Sitting Around Talking About Blogging

Roxanne: Okay, agreed I link to your blog.
Lauren: And I link to your blog.
Roxanne: Kewl.
Lauren: No, you're kewler.
Roxanne:What do you call your blog anyway?
Lauren: Death to Kevin Drum

The role of Roxanne today is being played by Roxanne Cooper, Lauren is also known as feministe.
While The Heretik does not consider these two women stand ins for anyone in life, in the above little pathetic drama, they each represent every woman who blogs who feels like some guy peed on them when they had something to say,  every woman who got pigeon holed as somehow insignificant because her topics were too broad.  Or she rambled. Or she just wasn't a guy with dick between his legs.  Or a guy with a dick in his head.

 

 

From: Rox Populi.

I Call Bullshit

For the last 24 hours I've been feeling remorse for smacking Mr. Drum so badly last month when he had his semi-annual "Where are all the women bloggers?" meltdown. This almost-change-of-heart of mine was spawned by his much more carefully worded, much more thoughtful post from yesterday. I was even planning on publishing a mea culpa of sorts. That was my plan until I read these anonymous opinions Shakespeare's Sister culled from her off-blog "where are all the women blahdie blahdie blah ..." correspondence with "upper echelon" male bloggers:

Women don’t give me much linkable material.

Women write on subjects that don’t interest me.

Women don’t know how to compromise on abortion rights.

Why don’t women post about Social Security? It affects them, too.

Women don’t write commentary, don’t come up with new ideas.

Gender politics is all secondary issues.

Shakespeare's Sister also offered this not-so-new idea [sorry fellas, I'll make sure we come up with a "new idea" next time]:

...as long as there’s a collective reluctance to replace the faux suppositions with the real prejudices in the navel-gazing posts, there’s no one with whom to have that conversation. Except, of course, my fellow bloggrrls, none of whom ever actually believed it’s anything other than the same old tired biases, anyway. Being more creative at disguising them behind your wide-eyed mystification about where all the women are isn’t clever; it’s pathetic.

 

 

from Trish Wilson:Ladies, It's Time To Go Skeet Shooting Again

Unbelievable. A month has not even gone by when that danged "women blogger" question has come up again, this time from Brian Montopoli at CJR Campaign Desk. Here's the relevant portion of his post:

    Jumping off of Steven Levy's column in Newsweek - which covers ground, incidentally, that we took on a year ago -- Chris Nolan offers his explanation for the lack of woman and minorities in the blogosphere. We recommend the whole thing, but for now we'll highlight this paragraph:

    Big Media reporters prefer to deal with the "top-tier" bloggers and folks in their own part of the world - the East Coast. That's who they call for TV: Sullivan, Jarvis, Reynolds, Marshall, Kos. That's who makes it onto dial-a-quote lists. Those appearances reinforce Big Boy Bloggers' bigger numbers. On Charlie Rose' blog show, the guest were Glenn Reynolds, Ana Marie Cox and Andrew Sullivan, no one west of the Mississippi. No minorities. That's diversity Big Media style.

This crap never ends. He's right that Big Media prefers to deal with a handful of "top-tier" white male bloggers whose blogs are a very narrow depiction of politics. The "top-tier" white male bloggers are also guilty of ignoring women and minority bloggers for the few they link to in their own camp. Then, periodically, these same male bloggers ask "where are the women and minority bloggers," when they should be asking "why don't I link to more women and minority bloggers?" This is nothing new to women and minority bloggers, who have been telling these guys where they are located ad nauseum for years. I already wrote to Montopoli and gave him the details about the last time a guy wondered "where are all the women and minority bloggers?" I was quite nice about it. I wrote about mainly the women blogger question, since that's where my interest lies. I suggest my readers give him a heads-up too, so that we don't have to keep seeing these kinds of reports that there are few women and minority bloggers.

To reiterate, the women bloggers are everywhere. Good places to find them are here:

What She Said!

BlogSisters

XX

FeministBlogs

You may write to Brian Montopoli at this address and give him the good news that there are plenty of women and minority bloggers, if only the A-list male bloggers and the media would take the time to look for them.

 

 

 

from The Heretik in Response to Above:
Gift wrapped, TW.  As far as the whole dominant link hierarchy goes, I want to thank you again as I meander through the links leading to wisdom everywhere.  And I will have more to say about this later.  As far as the dominant concept goes, why want what doesn't work for you?  I think of Malcolm X, Malcolm who was a separatist first before he became much more.  He had to go through a process where he was focused on the things closest to himself and that is where he found his strength to become much more. 

With polito-Guys, in pajamastan as in the White House Press Pool,it seems to be all about competition.  Nobody follows up too much on what somebody else has done. That's one reason Bush gets a pass, On the Estrogenated Elite side of things, process and success seem to come more from a continuing adding up of more, more of everything.  More varied interests, more time and depth to a subject.

My point is: why are women continuing to define their success by what men have? Who needs these dorks with a my link is bigger than your link mindset?

Walk away from the abusive marriage, delete the dorky guys from your links.  They lose, not you.

It's clear to me women already have so much more.  How you frame things determines the picture you see. If you don't accept their rules, you don't have to play their game.

MORE COMMENTS FOLLOWED

if only the A-list male bloggers and the media would take the time to look for them.

Awww, shucks! Poor Trish Wilson is upset again because she's not an A-list male anything!

Perhaps if all you goofy women bloggers had something useful to say, you would attract the attention of male bloggers--the attention you so desperately crave.

Tim

Posted by: Tim Pitzener at March 15, 2005 10:38 AM

And you come here and hump Trish's leg because. . . ?

Posted by: Sheelzebub at March 15, 2005 10:47 AM

Sheelz, I shook him off and locked him in the barn outside, in the snow. Now I got leg cooties.

Posted by: Trish Wilson at March 15, 2005 10:53 AM

Is anyone else as bored as I am with this topic? And I mean BORED.

Posted by: Roxanne at March 15, 2005 11:09 AM

Oy.

Posted by: The Heretik at March 15, 2005 11:10 AM

What he doesn't realize is that Chris Nolan is a woman.

Oops.  Those tricky gender-neutral names.

Posted by: Lauren at March 15, 2005 11:38 AM

Oy, glad somebody like Lauren told me about that man/Nolan/Chris/Woman deal, cause I'm not bored with this topic yet. Giving it the whole frikkin month. What I am bored with is cats and dogs. Don't get me wrong. Love the pooches and the felines, but ain't it odd. Some of your um dominant types give more space to Cat blogging and Dog Blogging than they do to Women Blogging?

Oy.  Today Only Tuesday Women Blogger Blogging

Posted by: The Heretik at March 15, 2005 12:04 PM

I guess I would be a double-whammy for Brian, because I'm a woman AND Biracial (half-Black/half-White). That should make his head spin. Yes there are plenty of us :-)

Posted by: Pseudo-Adrienne at March 15, 2005 04:47 PM

from The Heretik:
Why, oh Why Is This Topic Of Women Bloggers vs Men Bloggers Such a Sore Point?
and How Did it Become Men vs Women in the First Place?
Maybe the First Place Is the Garden of Eden. You know, the Garden of Eden,the place where blame for all that befell the world was assigned to Eve.
This is the reason for all this enmity. Or not.

 

 

from The Heretik:
WOMEN BLOGGERS DON'T GET RESPECT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WRITE ABOUT IMPORTANT MATTERS, (LIKE PEOPLE DYING DOESN'T MATTER, DUMBASS)
The men's club will never notice its own shortcomings, its all too willing ability to cover for someone of their tribe when he is embarassing himself.  How else can a rational, feeling person explain the pass given to Bush?  Men are rational people.  Men are feeling people in their private lives.  Whether they will admit to being rational, feeling people in the professional workplace is a sad question with a sadder answer.  The Heretik is saddest of all because he is the owner of a dick.  And last he heard, he had balls. Or did he.  The Heretik digresses.  Or does he.  In the end maybe this whole discussion comes down to balls.  Who has them, who doesn't. Who cares who has them, who doesn't. And who has balls without having balls. And who has balls and doesn't use them.  Man, I have really kicked the balls around. When the talk gets hot like this and The Heretik sees the load of sh*t dropped on all the sister b*tches by their so called political brothers in arms in the war for knowlege and wisdom against ignorance and shame, The Heretik is almost embarassed to say that he owns a dick.  Almost.  Or not.

This  may be last word on this topic for today (until we hear from the sometimes bored, but never boring Roxanne Cooper, occasionally known as the Feminister of Snark, but actually The Voice of Rightrous Leftist Rage ).

AND IN CLOSING:
HERE'S AN INSIGNIFICANT TOPIC COVERED BY DIANE, FEMINISTER OF WHACKING PEOPLE ON THE HEAD

from DED SPACE

THIS IS THE ARMY, MR. SAVILLE
Poor Army 1st Lt. Jack Saville. He has to cough up $12,000 ($2,000 a month for 6 months) and spend 45 days in a military prison, all because he particpated in the sadistic assault of three Iraqi civilians, and probably the murder of one of them. Earlier this week, Saville pleaded guilty to assault and related crimes for forcing two curfew violaters into the river at gunpoint. One is said to have drowned. Saville was also charged with failure to stop another forced walk to death in a different incident.

Saville, you will recall, laughed about the incidents, which were ordered by Staff Sgt. Tracy Perkins. Perkins was acquitted of manslaughter, but was convicted of assault and obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to six months in prison. Saville was originally charged with manslaughter, conspiracy, and lying to investigators. All of those charges were dropped. Apparently, he was never even charged with attempted murder.

Saville could have gotten 9 1/2 years in prison and a discharge from the Army. If you think his sentence is a tad on the light side, remember this: This is the U.S. military, which does no wrong. And this is a war. And the victims were--how can I put this delicately?--oh, yes--they were not white.

 

Comments

[NTodd]

I like the fact that this topic comes up on a regular basis. I love it when Non-existant Women Bloggers get mad. I find it sexy. Which is weird given my contention that all women bloggers are really just men pretending to be women. But hey, I've got to be consistent.

[The Heretik]

Stir it up; little darlin', stir it up. Come on, baby.
Come on and stir it up: little darlin', stir it up. O-oh!
Bob Marley
Oy, N Todd, oy.

[LJ/Aquaria]

NTodd... Must I punish you more?

Yeah, I have a blog that is mostly silly. Why not? It's mine. I didn't know I had to write what would "attract" the notice of the likes of a Kevin Drum (hurl). That doesn't mean what I discuss isn't relevant, or can't be a launchpad for further discussions about a variety of issues.

But do you know what really tars my feathers about all this?

1) Someone like Atrios can post two sentences and a link, and he gets 500 responses. Most of them personal yakkety-yak. I love the A-man, his site and the regulars there. But how is THAT any better of blogging, anymore interesting or pertinent, than what any woman writes? Some women put a lot of thought in their posts about a variety of issues, and it shows. But Atrios and other men get the red carpet treatment, for writing "Heh. Indeed." with a little link.

2) When I do write topical posts, and take some time to present an argument...nothing. Nobody notices. I might as well talk to the digital void. You want us to keep writing like that, Mr. Drum, then get out of your little ivory tower web bubble and NOTICE. RESPOND. LINK. Jerkoff.

3) You can talk about compromising on abortion, Mr. Drum, when you have functioning ovaries and a uterus. Otherwise, STFU with telling women what position they must present regarding abortion. In his case, my position is that the cure for abortion is cutting off his penis.

Sorry for the long post, ,but that jerk really pisses me off.

[NTodd]

1) Yeah, as the farmer (Eschaton alum and corrente founder) said to me once, Atrios could post about how he had a corn muffin for breaky and there's be 100 posts before he had his last bite.

2) I try to respond to your topical posts. I just get distracted sometimes by the other stuff. I'm a boy. We're simple-minded and we like to show off when we think we're on display. Beautiful plumage, eh?

3) As I have so ably argued, there IS common ground on the abortion issue, but I totally hear what you're saying. The reason I'm pro-choice is BECAUSE I'm male, in fact.

[LJ/Aquaria]

NTodd:

You're one of the few who does post anything when I write something other than the sex toy/hunk blogging. I'm just about to give up on doing anything else. And even that is losing some of its fun for me. Lately, I've seriously considered dropping both features.

[NTodd]

Don't give up. As I learned early on in my blogging career, it takes a while to build a community that's willing and able to comment, save on a few things. It's like a child or a pet or a plant: you have to nurture it, even when it frustrates you and doesn't seem to be doing any good.

[The Heretik]

Some women put a lot of thought in their posts about a variety of issues, and it shows. But Atrios and other men get the red carpet treatment, for writing "Heh. Indeed." with a little link.

Welcome, LJ. Don't give up. The Heretik needs thoughtful people like yourself in the fight. The fight is for our lives. Who wanders in interest to gather her strength and share it will always be welcome here again and again.

And, LJ,don't worry too much about the length of what you have to say. The thoughtful can never have enough words and the thoughtless overextend their stay.

There is far more to life than a two line post with a link and an endless series of comments. Comments by people that took a lot of time to think out, to consider and deliver, sometimes even with quotes. Sometimes even profane in nature, yet profound. Sometimes extreeeeeeeeemely long in thought process, yet short on words. Truly brevity is the soul of wit.

The Heretik salutes Atrios and his flock. He salutes each and every person who has taken the time to think up one of those those original comments that says, " F**k Bush." And the next original one after that with just as much thought that adds much to the discussion. " F**k Bush."

Yes, The Heretik has the fever now. May I channel now all the weenied ones who have time for cat blogging and dog blogging, but not for women blogging. F**k Bush.

F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush. F**k Bush.

There, that's better. F**k Bush. Sorry. Just one last belch of originality there.

Oy. F**k. Bush. indeed. Heh. Heh. Heh. Link.

[LJ/Aquaria]

Thanks, Heretik and NTodd, for the encouraging words. It's just been a depressing few days here at Aquaria's Dungeon.

Oh, and NTodd: Nice article over at redandblue. I agree completely with the ounce of prevention idea. I plan to write more about the abortion issue on my blog, in the near future. And some of the other "women's issues." Feminism has always been my first, best political love.

I guess the main thing I'm happy about now is that I have a focus for my energy. It took a wakeup call like this to do it. And I have both of you to thank for it. :)

[newswriter]

The News Writer would not like hundreds of responses that say little or nothing as she would surely explode from the overload. The News Writer prefers her handful of loyal readers, increasing in number by small increments which she knows about because every now and then someone drops a note to say so.

The New Writer also agrees with her friend The Heretik that their is no need to define our success by those a-listers. Phooey, she says. And phooey again. Here is where her heart and mind resides. And now she's going to go read LJ.

[The Heretik]

Thanks, newsie! Whoever has the link to LJ, post it in comments please.

[Lauren]

Seriously. I want to see LJ/Aquaria's blog.

[LJ/Aquaria]

Hi Lauren.

My blog is Rampaging PMS.

I don't know if it's all that great. It just is. It contains adult content, and maybe some stuff that some lefties might cringe from. For instance, today's serving is excerpts from Mao's Little Red Book, with a few snarky comments.