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March 30, 2005

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NTodd

We're the good guys, right?

Agitprop

We knew then. We know now. If we do nothing, the bitter harvest will only grow

The roots of these evil trees have grown deep thanks to our nation's ignorance and collective denial. It says something about the psychological character of most Americans that they can't stomach any bad news about their country. First they'll ignore it, then deny it, then blame it on a "few bad apples". We have been programmed since day one in grammar school that Uncle Sam can do no wrong. It's been awhile since psych class but isn't this called cognitive dissonance?

Paradigm Shifter

Ntod, not any more...

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

Mark Kraft

There's more to it than that. The memo also indicates that Sanchez perjured himself during his Senate testimony of May 19, 2004:

U.S. SENATOR JACK REED (D-RI): General Sanchez, today's USA Today, sir, reported that you ordered or approved the use of sleep deprivation, intimidation by guard dogs, excessive noise and inducing fear as an interrogation method for a prisoner in Abu Ghraib prison. Is that correct?

SANCHEZ: Sir, that may be correct that it's in a news article, but I never approved any of those measures to be used within CJTF-7 at any time in the last year.

That is absolutely refuted by the newly released memo, which says:

Presence of Military Working Dog: Exploits Arab fear of dogs ...
Sleep Management: Detainee provided minimum of 4 hours sleep per 24 hour period, not to exceed 72 continuous hours.
Yelling, Loud Music, and Light Control: Used to create fear... (Sanchez's wording, not mine.)

More info on this is available at http://insomnia.livejournal.com/547941.html

Mentis Fugit

We know and say nothing. As the Germans did in the Forties.

You're still only in the Thirties. The fear and hate have quite a bit of growing to do yet. Meanwhile, the belief in some sort of cultural or constitutional superiority over mere Germans will sustain the mantra "it can't happen here". And it won't. What will happen will be something just different enough that most folk won't realize what's happening until it's too late.

Human nature is a constant. We need demons to excuse ourselves.

BadTux

Thank you, Heretik, for your reminder of Lady Day and _Strange Fruit_. I play that, sometimes, when I am thinking about the rot at the heart of the nation, the rot that originated in the South so many years before and has been slowly eating its way outward ever since, the rot that we thought had been defeated by the mid 1960's but, alas, merely changed its cloak and continued slowly destroying everything that made America great. The question of what happens when the American Empire falls, as it inevitably must as education is replaced with rote religious recitation and creativity is replaced with adherence to the rule of an American Taliban, is one that deeply worries me, especially after reading about how swiftly Rome fell -- within a generation, Romans went from living in a cosmopolitan city with a population of millions to fleeing in all directions, leaving a few thousand wretched souls living cold and hungry in the ruins of a city built for millions. This process was repeated in all of the towns and cities of the Roman Empire, as people either fled to the countryside, starved, or were murdered for their remaining food and wealth. The population of Western Europe fell from over 100 million to less than 20 million in less than a generation as starvation, violence, and plague swept the land. Western Europe then endured almost 1,000 years of darkness...

-- Badtux the Apocalyptic Penguin

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